Note: This story was last updated at 8 p.m. June 13.
RealtyLink, the developer that has proposed redeveloping the former Oak Ridge Mall, says it is ready to close on the roughly 60-acre site by the end of June and start construction immediately, but there is one last hurdle: The company is concerned about any redevelopment of the property across the street at the American Museum of Science and Energy that could compete with its proposed project, known as Main Street Oak Ridge.
So, RealtyLink has asked that, if the federal government wants to dispose of the AMSE property at some point in the future, the city would negotiate with the U.S. Department of Energy through the General Services Administration to either have the property transferred to the city, or allow RealtyLink to negotiate directly with DOE and GSA for a property transfer.
The Oak Ridge City Council will consider a resolution allowing the city manager to start the negotiations, should they become necessary, during a meeting on Monday, June 13.
So far, DOE and GSA have not publicly announced plans to dispose of the 17.12 acres in and around AMSE. But there have been public discussions about what to do with the property during the past 15 years or so. DOE has said it is not in the museum business.
Among the options that have been discussed, although not implemented, is transferring AMSE to the city. Another proposal a decade or so ago would have combined a Target and Lowe’s development in front of AMSE and across the street at the shopping center occupied by Oak Ridge Bowling Center, Pet Supplies Plus, and Big Lots.
In a June 8 memo to City Council, City Manager Mark Watson said DOE has asked the GSA for help using its assets, including the 17.12-acre AMSE site, to “help secure a path forward for their mission of public education and public outreach.†The AMSE property could help offset DOE costs as it helps plan, along with the National Park Service, for a new Manhattan Project National Historical Park that includes Oak Ridge, Watson said.
There are no current development proposals for the AMSE property, either at the museum or on the federal property near it. But RealtyLink seems to be seeking to protect itself from competition there that would compete with Main Street Oak Ridge and hurt the mall redevelopment.
“Any redevelopment of that property (the AMSE property) that competes with Main Street either directly or indirectly will be devastating to our efforts to provide the community a much-needed, quality, retail-centered mixed-use town center,” RealtyLink Principal Neil Wilson said in a June 2 letter to Oak Ridge City Manager Mark Watson.
“We are finally in a position to close on the property by the end of June and begin construction immediately thereafter,” Wilson said. “This issue regarding the AMSE property is the only remaining hurdle standing in the way of that closing. However, my partners, investors, and I simply cannot take that financial risk to move forward until the issue is resolved. We must be able to control the redevelopment of that property.”
Oak Ridge retail consultant Ray Evans said the potential development of the AMSE property was also an issue for the previous developer, Crosland Southeast, and the current owners, Oak Ridge City Center LLC. RealtyLink took over as master developer in September 2015.
Watson has recommended approval of the land transfer resolution, which would also include 1.87 acres of adjacent city-owned land for a total of 18.99 acres that could be developed.
The discussions of what to do with the AMSE property, at least during the past decade or so, haven’t proposed ending operations at the museum. Instead, they’ve focused on how to keep the museum operating, possibly with some changes, while easing DOE out of the museum business. However, the Target/Lowe’s proposal would have affected at least some of the green space in front of AMSE, which is the space between the museum and South Illinois Avenue.
The AMSE property is included in an economic impact area associated with the mall redevelopment. That plan was adopted by the Oak Ridge Industrial Development Board, Oak Ridge City Council, and Anderson County Commission. Property tax revenues from the future development of the property would be used to repay a $13 million tax increment financing, or TIF, loan.
Oak Ridge National Laboratory manages AMSE for DOE. ORNL spokesperson David Keim said the City Council resolution is a very early step in what could be a long process.
“We’ll have to wait to see what happens, but we expect to continue operating AMSE for the foreseeable future,” Keim said. “We’re going to continue operating AMSE. That’s our immediate plan.”
At the same time, Keim said, “we need to remain open to new ways of fulfilling our public education and outreach mission, particularly with the arrival of the national park.”
It’s not clear how the establishment of the new national park, which also includes Los Alamos, New Mexico, and Hanford, Washington, could affect the negotiations. The National Park Service has had representatives stationed at AMSE for the new park. The resolution to be considered by City Council on Monday says DOE, the National Park Service, and the city are collaborating to determine the best way to preserve and interpret Manhattan Project history and to reach out and educate the public.
Keim said AMSE’s function is public education and outreach, and that’s not rooted to a specific building.
“It can be fulfilled in a variety of ways,†he said. “That’s a discussion the community needs to have.”
A series of four community meetings in 2014 were designed to gather input on the future of AMSE operations. Those meetings were sponsored by the City of Oak Ridge and the American Museum of Science and Energy Foundation.
AMSE is supported financially by three DOE/National Nuclear Security Administration sites in Oak Ridge: ORNL, East Tennessee Technology Park, and Y-12 National Security Complex.
Here are some conditions that would apply to the potential property transfer negotiations that could involve the city, DOE, GSA, and RealtyLink :
- If GSA negotiates with RealtyLink, the city would use commercially reasonable efforts to help a potential transfer or sale, and assist with local approvals, in return for “considerations that would enhance the DOE and NPS missions of public outreach and education.”
- If GSA negotiates only with the city, and the city is successful in getting the land, it would give RealtyLink a right to the first option to buy the land at a price of $200,000 per acre, or the value of the “consideration” divided by 17.12, whichever is greater. RealtyLink would have 180 days after a fully executed purchase agreement for due diligence and 45 days to close after that. RealtyLink would agree to develop the property in a way that is agreeable to both parties, but a development that maximizes sales tax revenues would be a primary focus for both the city and the developer.
- RealtyLink would agree to develop the property in a manner that would generate at least $140,000 per year in new property taxes by the 2021 tax year and at least an additional $150,000 by the 2024 tax year.
- In exchange for the city donating its 1.87 acres, RealtyLink will include, somewhere in the Main Street Oak Ridge project, at least two acres of community-oriented amenities such as, but not limited to, bicycle and pedestrian ways. RealtyLink’s expenses on those amenities would not be required by the city to exceed $374,000. The city resolution pointed out that the AMSE property and adjacent city-owned property “represent an important segment of central Oak Ridge adjacent to Oak Ridge Associated Universities, as well as the (Oak Ridge) Municipal Building, Civic Center Complex, and A.K. Bissell Park.”
Main Street Oak Ridge would redevelop the former Oak Ridge Mall as a mixed-use development that would include retailers, restaurants, residential units, and possibly a hotel. In May, Oak Ridge Mayor Warren Gooch said Dick’s Sporting Goods, PetSmart, T.J. Maxx, and Ulta will have new stores at Main Street Oak Ridge. Also, Belk and JCPenney are renewing their leases at the 58-acre site, and negotiations with other major retailers are continuing, Gooch said.
The mall is now mostly empty, but Belk and JCPenney remain. The two anchor stores would stay, and the enclosed space between them would be demolished as part of the long-awaited redevelopment, which previous estimates have said could cost $85 million.
During an IDB meeting on Monday, Evans, the city’s retail consultant, said attorney Mark Mamantov was authorized to finalize TIF documents last week. Execution of the TIF documents is part of the closing on the former mall property, which is now known as Oak Ridge City Center. A TIF (tax increment financing) uses new property tax revenues generated at a site to help pay for development costs.
See the Oak Ridge City Council agenda for Monday evening here. The agenda includes Wilson’s letter, a memo from Watson to City Council, and the proposed resolution.
The Monday night City Council meeting starts at 7 p.m. in the Oak Ridge Municipal Building Courtroom at 200 South Tulane Avenue. Watson said Wilson will be at that meeting.
More information will be added as it becomes available.
See previous Main Street Oak Ridge stories here.
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Angi Agle says
John, thank you for this very informative and optimistic piece. We can celebrate soon!
Sam Hopwood says
just one last hurdle?? Gee, and if OR agrees to this, work on the Ole Mall will begin at the end of June. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. How many times have we heard this when being warned about scams? Doesn’t it seem just a little odd that Reality hasn’t mentioned this until now? Oak Ridge is being taken hook, line and sinker. Oak Ridger’s are so easy.
Ray Evans says
This has been an issue with RealtyLink since September 2015. It was an issue with
Crosland Southeast for two years before that. Is was an issue with the current owners as far back as 2006.
Matt Bailey says
And once again ole negative Sam speaks without facts. Thank you Ray for giving us the background facts.
Sam Hopwood says
Hogwash! If that was the case, why wasn’t it mentioned earlier this year when Reality said they were wrapping things up. I don’t ever recall Crosland giving any reason publicly for pulling out of this project. The public has been mislead on this. Trust has been thrown out the window.
Ray Evans says
This issue had nothing to do with Crosland pulling out of the project but it was always an issue with them.
Matt Bailey says
Sam, one time I wish you’d actually get involved in something instead of sitting at home and griping all the time. Try one positive thing. Going thru life this unhappy and miserable must be horrible.
Mike Mahathy says
Sam, you do not have to be privy to all conversations. If the resolution fails say goodbye to increased sales tax revenue and a potential property tax decrease. But as you said recently you no longer pay property tax. Think of your children and grandchildren though. It will affect them if they live in Oak Ridge.
Sam Hopwood says
Mike, my wife and I pay property taxes in OR every year. In reflecting on this “last hurdle” I am reminded of P.T. Barnum. Wasn’t it he who said “there is a sucker born every minute.” In exchange for tearing down a section of the Mall and opening four shops, OR will be giving up any rights to 20 acres in the heart of the city. P.T. was right.
Matt Bailey says
Sam, besides an occasional lemon aid stand, what’s been there in 60 years? Can you name two developers who are climbing over each other to come here? Didn’t think so. Instead of complaining all the time, would it be too much to ask you to use your experience as an oak Ridger to come up with an alternative if you disagree? The world is full of whiners vs do-ers.
Mike Mahathy says
Sam, I was only saying what you once posted here about taxes. I guess I shouldn’t take people at their word.
Tell me, please, what local or distant developer(s) has been beating the door down to redevelop the mall. You may not care what becomes of our city but I do because I am have concern for my kids’ and everyone’s kids’ future. I believe you actually do as well regardless what you post.
Sam Hopwood says
Baloney Mike. I only recently posted that I was willing to pay higher taxes, rather than raise the utility rates. Income tax and property tax are the fairest way to go. Those who have a little more, pay a little more.
You are right that no one is beating down the door to re-develop the mall. It is a white elephant and Crosland finally realized that and pulled out. Now RealtyLink understands that and is DEMANDING the moon to partially demolish it and open four shops. Four shops Mike! No hotel, no condos, no nothing. But not to worry. The majority of City Council will vote to approve this ripoff in a heartbeat. No question about that. They are afraid NOT to and RealityLink knows that. The public has been mislead on this. P. T. Barnum was right. Goodnight and good luck.
Mike Mahathy says
Can you dry that baloney? I saw your post about raising the tax rate and LIKED it. At one point last year you did comment leaving people to wonder. I will try to find it later but it doesn’t matter. No one, or very few, actually want to pay higher taxes but being willing too (as I am even reluctantly at times) is good. Thank you.
Reality is only asking for first right of refusal should DOE sale property later, nothing more.
Joseph Lee says
Sam, I don’t want to clutter up your talking points with too many facts but……..
What we have here is a self inflicted wound resulting from an exceptionally short sighted vote by city council in the late eighties. Crown came to town, dropped $100mil, walked and then took the write off. Council gave them the keys to the city and we have been coming up short on sales tax revenue ever since. True story. I hope council takes the long view on Monday. Thank you.
johnhuotari says
Hi, Angi. I apologize for the delayed response.
Thank you for letting me know you thought this article was informative. I tried to provide as much context as I could. I still have a follow-up or two to do when I have a chance.
I don’t deliberately try to write stories that are optimistic, but I did try to be comprehensive with this one and I guess that helped. As an Oak Ridge resident and business owner, I do hope that this project proceeds and succeeds.
I have put June 28 on my calendar for the mall closing, and I’ll try to share any news about the mall as soon as we hear it.
Thank you,
John
Tracy Powers says
John, I just saw where I accidentally hit the down vote where you replied to my question about whether police and firemen were city employees! I’m sorry, I changed it, but comments were closed.
johnhuotari says
No problem, Tracy. Thank you for letting me know.
Mike Mahathy says
City Council, let’s do this. It’s a win-win for our citizens, the developers and retail merchants. Thank you.
Joseph Lee says
“One Remaining Hurdle”. I hope Council is focused Monday evening. Thank you.
Mike Mahathy says
Sam and others interested in facts over hyperbole.
The first 2 pages of the whole council package spells out the need and what we citizens get. Please note that RealtyLink will only get first right of refusal should that land ever be sold for commercial purposes.
https://cdn.fbsbx.com/v/t59.2708-21/13394216_10209202762853537_1241573234_n.pdf/Main-Street-AMSE-Matter-for-June-13-City-Council.pdf?oh=d4200ee10d4734ef3436fb573b141308&oe=575D1C14&dl=1
Susan Gawarecki says
I doubt commercial redevelopment of the AMSE property would be “devastating” to the Main Street development. Oak Ridge should have already learned that when developers insist on limiting competition, as Walmart did by having a deed restriction banning other discount stores added to the mall parcel, that in the end the city is the loser. That said, I would prefer to see the AMSE property redeveloped as a new modern museum and National Park facility, or at least facilities managed by ORAU. There is already too much abandoned retail space languishing in town.
Sam Hopwood says
Well said…. BRAVO!!!!!
Matt Bailey says
Susan, what a great proposal…which is something I’ve been Sam to make for a long time – a positive proposal about anything!!
Knowing little about this ….what if someone bought that land and offered it to a retailer that the Mall and the city were already working with, at a lower price. The time and planning and financial investment that the city, etc had put into the mall area would be lost for that one retailer. I’m betting that that is their big concern, along with each of those retailers individually who are considering locating in our mall. At a time when brick and mortar stores are closing rapidly across the country, I’m sure these retailers are looking to hedge their bets as best they can.
Sam Hopwood says
I’m delighted that you continue to be irritated by me speaking the truth. I will do my best to continue to cause you heartburn.
Now get out there and do some really good whining about Trina. This is all her fault. 🙂
Side bar to John: I just could not resist it….. I will try to do better….Promise!
Matt Bailey says
That’s it? I expected so much more.